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Christ’s Birth, Death and Resurrection

TRUTH GATHERING, an exhaustive AKJV Topical Bible of all critical-to-salvation subjects, ©copyright 1998 Bonita M Quesinberry, R.C. excerpt Chapter 10: Christ’s Birth, Death and Resurrection

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Well over two hundred years after Christ ascended to heaven, the then world of Christendom arbitrarily established December 25th as a day to celebrate our Lord and Saviour’s birth: His resurrection celebrated on Easter, a floating holiday having occurred April 23rd in the year 2000. Where did these traditions come from? Are they true? More importantly, are they acceptable to Yeshua? Scrutinizing God’s Holy Word sheds a completely contrary light on corporate Christendom’s festivals and should cause every serious Christian, who is determined to please our One True God, to question the denominational pulpits they have relied upon for Biblical truths.

More importantly, Christians need to be aware that condemnation will pour out upon all entities guilty of instituting into Christ’s church such paganistic idolatrous festivals. This applies equally to those Christians who gain the truth, yet continue to observe manmade commandments, traditions and festivals—regardless of their claim to do so in Jesus’ honor. In His opinion, such professed Christians are rendering lip service and He does not know them. See TRUTH GATHERING chapter: “Fatal Lip Service.”

However, as the title of this chapter implies, the identity of the perpetrator or perpetrators will not be discussed here. Thus, we begin with the conception and ultimate birth of Messiah, Jesus Christ our Saviour. Apostle Luke renders a very concise record for examination and it is logical to base dates on the Jewish calendar, which is the first calendar. Therefore, it is prudent to note that the first month of our year is January, as opposed to the Hebrew first month of the year being September. With that in mind, we begin Luke’s testimony. Please note for the purposes of this reprint, scripture quotes will be contained between * * * * * asterisks while comments will be unbound.

* * * * * Luke 1:26-27,30-31,35-37, 38-42—And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a virgin espoused [betrothed, engaged] to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God nothing shall be impossible.

And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda; and entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth. And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was fill with the Holy Ghost: and she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. * * * * *

Luke conveys that Mary conceived Jesus in the sixth month (Adar) of the Jewish calendar, which equates to a Gregorian February. Luke further enlightens of Mary’s pregnancy having extended full-term, placing Christ’s birth around early to late (Cheshvan of the Jewish calendar) October of the same Gregorian calendar. The first year of AD was intended to be the year of Christ’s birth but, due to error, purportedly missed it by 2-1/2 to 3 years. Jesus was 33 and 7 months at His death in April of 31AD, thus it is proper to place His birth on or about October in the year between 4-1/2 to 3BC (calendar matching is provided herein).

* * * * * Luke 2:6-11—And so it was, that, while they were there [in Bethlehem], the days were accomplished that she [Mary] should be delivered [give birth]. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. * * * * *

Luke additionally chronicles that tax assessing was what prompted Joseph to take his pregnant wife to Bethlehem, further confirming an October birth inasmuch as tax collection following the first harvest of any given year. October is the second month of harvest time as well as the second month of the Hebrew new year. Add to this the fact that shepherds still were in the fields with their flocks when Gabriel appeared to them. This too would be normal since October is autumn in Israel (not winter, December [Tebet] or January [Shebat]). History reveals that their sheep would not have been in the fields during winter months.

Further, it was Joseph and Mary’s custom to travel with their family to Jerusalem every year for the two-day Passover festival, which begins March 31st (Nisan). Christ was twelve at the time His parents discovered Jesus missing three days into their return home from just such a trip. Remember that Jesus was later found in the Temple, wherein He told Mary and Joseph that He was about my Father’s work. This, then, occurred on about April (Iyar) 6th, 9AD —remember the calendar discrepancy regarding the AD year of His birth, thus this incident would not have been in 12AD.

Luke 3:23 reveals that Jesus was about to turn 30 when he was baptized by John and then spirited away by Satan for 40 days of temptation. It was following this event that Christ’s ministry began. Thus, we may conclude: His ministry began either with His baptism—about Sept. of 27AD—or following the 40 days—approximately late Oct. 27AD.

The Bible reveals that Christ’s ministry was 3-1/2 years to the point of His death—see Daniel c.9 regarding the 70-prophetic weeks, 490-literal years— allowing for restoration of the road to and the city of Jerusalem as well as the temple: then the Messiah’s ministry would begin at the onset of the 70th week—or last 7 years of the 490—and ending in the midst of the 70th week or 3-1/2 literal years.

Christ’s death occurred exactly 486-1/2 years following the onset of road and city construction. Therefore, it is appropriate to place Jesus’ death in April 31AD—from point of baptism and just prior to His thirty-fourth birthday. This is in harmony with the fact Jesus and His Disciples shared Passover.

Luke 24:52-56 further confirms April (Iyar) of 31AD, informing us that Christ was placed in a tomb just as Sabbath came on, which is sunset Friday, following several events having begun with Passover—March (Nisan) 31st through April (Iyar) 1st. On Wednesday, April 1st, the last day of Passover, Judas betrayed Jesus for thirty pieces of silver. Late on Thursday night (the 4th watch), April 3rd, Judas arrived with soldiers and Jesus was taken prisoner. By the next morning, Friday April 4th, Christ had been condemned to death, sent to Pilate, who released Barnabas, and then Jesus was hung on a cross.

Luke 23:44-46 tells us Jesus died at about the ninth hour. God’s time remains reckoned as a night being from sunset to sunrise and daytime being from sunrise to sunset, with a 24-hour day determined as sunset-even to sunset-even. Therefore, if we assume the sun rose at about 6AM, then Christ’s death would have been on Friday afternoon at approximately 3PM. Luke additionally advises that Jesus was placed in the tomb just minutes before sunset, or at the onset of Sabbath, April 5th. This is reasonable considering that criminals were allowed to hang until almost sunset but not beyond: because it was against the law for anyone to hang overnight. Additionally, while Christ died at about 3PM, more time transpired while counsellor Joseph went to obtain permission to retrieve Christ’s body.

With this data, comprehend that Christ obeyed the Sabbath even in death, for He remained in His grave until dawn of the first day of the week: Sunday, April 6th of 31AD.  Jesus then arose and was seen by at least 500 people over the next 40 days, after which He ascended to heaven. His ascension would have occurred on or about May (Sivan) 15th, 31AD. In each case of date citation, a Hebrew calendar is used specifically: it is the only calendar to agree Biblically. For instance: the Gregorian fifth month is May, which equates to the Hebrew ninth month of Sivan.

Now compare the two calendars set out below. Note: only religious holidays are included with each month appropriate to each calendar. One reflects God’s specific holidays for His people while the Gregorian reflects specific holidays pagan yet adopted by Christian professing denominations:

GREGORIAN                         HEBREW

1.  January (31 days)                1.  September (Tishri, 30 days)

     New Year, 1st                         New year, 11th

                                                     Day of Atonement, 20th

                                                     Feast of Tabernacles 15-20th

                                                     Rejoice in the Law, 23rd

2.  February (28-29 days)        2.  October (Cheshvan, 29-30 days)

     St. Valentines, 14th                                                

3.  March (31 days)                 3.  November (Kislev, 29-30 days)

     St. Patrick’s Day, 17th               Feast of Dedication, 25th

     Palm Sunday, 28th

4.  April (30 days)                   4.  December (Tebet, 29 days)

     Good Friday, 2nd                       Festival of Lights, 2nd

     Easter, 4th in 1999

5.  May (31 days)                   5.  January (Shebat, 30 days)

6.  June (30 days)                   6.  February (Adar, 29-30 days)

                                                     Feast of Lots, 14th

7.  July (31 days)                    7.  March (Nisan, 30 days)

                                                      Passover, 30th

8.  August (31 days)               8.  April (Iyar, 29 days)

                                                     Passover, 1st

9.  September (30 days)         9.  May (Sivan, 30 days)

                                                     Feast of weeks, 5th

10. October (31 days)          10.  June (Tammuz, 29 days)

       Halloween, 31st

11. November (30 days)       11.  July (Ab, 30 days)

       Thanksgiving, 25th                Day of Fasting, 9th

12. December (31 days)       12.  August (Elul, 29 days)

       Christmas, 25th

RESULTS:

1) Mary conceived Jesus sometime in February 4BC;

2) Jesus was born approximately early to late October 3BC (based on typical days of gestation)

3) Christ began His ministry on or about His 30th birthday, or October 27AD;

4) Jesus was crucified on Friday, April 3rd, 31AD, pronounced dead at approximately 3PM at the age of 33 years and 7 months;

5) At sunset April 4th, 31AD Jesus was placed in a tomb where He remained through Saturday Sabbath, April 5th, 31AD;

6) At dawn on Sunday, April 6th, 31AD Christ arose from the grave and was seen by many people for 40 days;

7) On the 40th day, about May 15th of 31AD Jesus ascended to heaven.

Since the whole Bible is about God, the Hebrews— Judah and Israel— Christ, and adopted Hebrews— pagan Gentiles—­ then it is most appropriate to discern these dates in accordance with ancient Hebrew calendars. After all, that is the time in which these records were written and events occurred. Biblically, there would have been no other calendar. Realistically? Yes, there were pagan calendars even then, but to use one of those would be to discern God’s Word by the world: instead of spiritually.

Note: Hebrew calendars still are in use today among Orthodox and Christian Jews observing Jewish festivals. It remains the same as it was from the beginning of Creation. Therefore, the Hebrew September is the same September we recognize. It just happens to be the Hebrew’s first month of the year, whereas a Gregorian calendar begins the year with January.

Using a Gregorian calendar to decipher God’s word causes interpretative error and no harmony will be found between scripture and appropriate historical data. For instance, Mary would have conceived in June 4BC, based on a Gregorian calendar, therefore placing Christ’s birth sometime February 3BC. Unfortunately, this would skew all other dates set out above.

After all, Passover is March 30-April 1, according to ancient and modern practices. In using a Gregorian calendar, Jesus never could be placed at the Passover festival leading to His demise. At 31 years and 7 months old at death, it would mean Christ died September 5th of 33AD. The only Jewish festival in September is the Feast of Weeks. The gospels state clearly: Christ and His Apostles shared the Passover meal, then Jesus was arrested early next morning. As El might say: to use a Gregorian calendar is to corrupt clues He provided.

As Christians, adopted into the Jewish family of God, we are subject to the same obedience. This means avoiding anything even slightly resembling evil. Thus, we can eliminate all holidays shown in a Gregorian or other non-Hebrew calendar. As adopted children, we may also eliminate most Jewish ordinance holidays shown in an Hebrew calendar. In fact, the only ordinances Christ commands of Gentiles and Jews are:  1) confession of sins; 2) baptism by water; 3) faith of and belief in Jesus as our Redeemer; 4) obedience to the Father’s Doctrine, the Ten Commandments to include the two Royal Laws of love; 5) baptism of the Holy Ghost— to those who obey. Additionally, 6) work good works as well as use gifts of the Spirit to benefit the brethren; and, 7) perform, as often as we choose, the Lord’s Supper— communion, Passover— to include washing our brethren’s feet as a symbol of service, as opposed to being served: in remembrance of Christ’s sacrifice for us. Again, God’s perfect number: SEVEN.

To observe any other holidays, including human birthdays, as well as establishing a counterfeit birthday for Christ, is a wicked example of vanity, idolatry and pagan worship. Whatever excuse we use to justify such behavior is exactly why Jesus said, “You do me lip service and I never knew you.” For example, pagan artifacts used for decoration— i.e. Christmas tree— or observing a pagan holiday— i.e. Christmas and Easter— and dedicating it to the Lord. It is an abomination to Yeshua and is counted as “lip service” heavily couched in pagan idolatry.

One other note, Bethlehem is located in the hilly or mountainous region of Israel. In winter months, beginning in December, temperatures get as low as 42 degrees at night. This is not so for previous months, especially concerning October, which remains very warm. Additionally, the Gospels do not indicate freezing winter with snow on the ground at Christ’s birth—a familiar Christmas scene with which we’ve all grown up. All these little subtleties grouped together cause the world to believe lies and walk after Satan unaware, guilty by virtue of not checking out the facts for self.

Also, consider portraits of Christ rendered by various artists over the centuries. They paint quite a beautiful being and tout Him as quite tall and slender and blue-eyed: which might seem in keeping with the Shroud of Turin. Might such artistic beauty be a contributor to society’s obsession with beauty? Scriptures describe Jesus otherwise. Long before Christ’s birth, He was described as “marred (deformed, ugly) more than any man, small of stature, his body without form; nothing beautiful about him to cause people to follow him; people turned away from looking at his marred, deformed black body and disfigured face; a man of sorrows and grief and pain. Pick up a copy of  TODAY, JESUS SAID by the commentator hereof. One might be quite surprised by what the Bible really reveals compared to what preachers and theologians teach.

The irony of the facts presented hereinabove: Theologians throughout the ages always have maintained that Christ was born sometime in October. Christians need to ask themselves: Why, then, are we taught that no one knows when Jesus was born? Remember: Yeshua said, One lie renders the whole a lie. If Satan can convince the world of just one lie, he has succeeded in achieving our damnation— IF we ourselves do not investigate God’s Word personally. Would you obey the laws of man or the laws of God? Surely, we ought to obey God.

Before we leave this chapter, however, let us read what Christmas and Easter really are and why they insult the Lord and are an abomination to Him. Please note: directly above text body of the following page is information indicating from where its data was retrieved. It is cited separate from this page in order to avoid any appearance of agreeing with its contents: rather, pointing out that pagan rituals are alive and well and they rejoice that professing Christians share their blasphemous festivals. * * * * *

Because of the length of text, only the Wiccan website URL and a few text captions from it are provided in this reprint: however, TRUTH GATHERING contains the entire text. Christians strongly are urged to check out this website and others like it. Discover what it is we truly are doing if we observe pagan holidays in the name of Christ: witchvox.com/holidays/ostara.html (add normal link beginning)

The Witches Voice presents. . . THE HOLIDAYS OF WITCHCRAFT: OSTARA and YULE, by Peg Aloi

OSTARA – (around March 21st) also know as: Vernal Equinox, Ostara, Alban Eiler, Esther

YOU CALL IT EASTER, WE CALL IT OSTARA – YULE (Winter Solstice, around December 22nd) also known as: Yuletide, Alban Arthan. WINTER SOLSTICE/YULE: (on or about December 22) Yule is the time of greatest darkness and the longest night of the year. The Winter Solstice had been associated with the birth of a “Divine King” long before the rise of Christianity. Since the Sun is considered to represent the Male Divinity in many Pagan Traditions, this time is celebrated as the “return of the Sun God” where he is reborn of the Goddess.

YOU CALL IT CHRISTMAS, WE CALL IT YULE – Christ’s Birthday? or Winter Solstice? The Holly and the Ivy, Did Someone Say “Tree Worship?”

* * * * * How can true Christians observe these or any holidays while claiming honor to God and Jesus Christ? It is an abomination to our Father Creator. In His mind it is unacceptable to place our ONE TRUE GOD within the framework of false gods. This is exactly what Jesus meant by flattering lips and creating images of God after corruptible men: this and much more. Warning! He declared of those who do such things, “I do not know you.” Even the Christmas tree is of pagan origin and well described in:

 

* * * * *  Jeremiah 10:2-4,~5,8—Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne [carried], because they cannot go [by themselves]. But they [the heathen] are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities [idolatry]. * * * * * 

 

Several years ago, the youth minister of a Sabbath keeping church spoke of a personal experience on his job. It was nearing Christmas and one employee— most verbal about her Wiccan membership and Druid ties and very much aware of the youth minister’s Christian beliefs— asked him: “If you believe in God and in Christ, then why do you celebrate our festivals?”

Now, she assumed he did so because, like all the other employees, he did not work on those days. Of course, hers was an erroneous assumption. How could he work if the company was closed and locked up for the holidays? Fortunately, our youth minister was able to reply, “I don’t celebrate any pagan festivals: including Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter or personal birthdays, nor do I honor any man.”

Thanksgiving? Yes, its origins are Celtic: originally an eight-day festival in honor of their harvest gods and brought to the United States by the first settlers. Nevertheless, our youth minister was ONE witness in God’s favour. Sadly, many of us might work with Wiccan and Druid followers unaware. Thus, it is by what we say and/or do that we witness for or against God to those practicing witchcraft.

Also several years ago, a well-known actress serving a short stint as a talk show host presented a program for Halloween: her guests a man and woman, both of whom were proud Wiccan members. Near the show’s conclusion, the hostess asked, “What do you think about Christians observing your festivals?” She referenced not only Halloween but Christmas and Easter as well.

The woman responded quickly, “It just proves to me that I’ve chosen the right religion because it’s obviously the world’s oldest religion. Otherwise, Christians would not share our rituals.”

This Wiccan witch revealed a multitude of Christians unwittingly witnessing against God. Alas, unwittingly or wittingly, each are found just as guilty before our Creator Father. As for witchcraft being the oldest religion: I beg to differ. After all, worship of God the Creator began with Adam and Eve. However, the most important question to ask self: “What kind of witness for God and Christ am I, both in word and deed? And, what am I going to do about it?”

~ end excerpt

  

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26 Comments »

  1. good article

    Comment by abomination~desolation | 30 March 2007 | Reply

  2. Hi, Monte! Come on, dear one, you know that salvation is by grace, obedience comes by love and faith: IF we accept God’s offer of salvation. 🙂

    Tara, I am not willing to debate God’s Word. I can only refer you back to my response to your first review. And, I can say that Jesus NEVER condoned nor used anything pagan in order to save anyone. He simply spoke His Father’s Truth, as set out in the Old Testament, and He lived it. Most of all, He taught us to do the same.

    As far as giving an invitation to salvation, that invitation is to everyone; but, not everyone will embrace it. As Jesus said, “Many are called, but few are chosen.” There is a distinct difference in being called to salvation and being chosen.

    Thank you Monte and Tara for reading and commenting on this treatise.

    Much love in Christ,
    BonnieQ 🙂

    Comment by bonnieq | 3 January 2007 | Reply

  3. But is it right to not give someone the chance to come to know Him as Saviour because they are practing pagan things such as Christmas traditions? I know of a pastor that refused to get up and offer an invitation after a Christmas play because it didn’t depict the scene Bibically correct(wisemen at the manger) and because there was greenery in the play. Is that right? Jesus Himself went to where the sinners were and brought them to God regardless of what they were doing or had hanging in their houses. I’m sorry, but not giving someone an invitation to come to Christ is not Christ-like. It’s of the devil. God would never tell someone to refuse to offer an invitation, but the devil would. So do you believe that God makes bad things happen to people that don’t follow His word to a T? Doesn’t God also allow bad things to happen to His people who follow His word without flaw(if that’s possible)?

    Comment by Tara G. | 2 January 2007 | Reply

  4. Hello Bonnie – so then, salvation is not by faith, but by obedience to the law?

    Comment by Monte | 2 January 2007 | Reply

  5. Saith the Lord, Tara, “There is a way that seems right to mankind, but it paves the way to utter destruction.”

    I am not the Judge, so in no way would I ever declare that you or anyone else will go to hell if you celebrate pagan festivals in Christ’s name and observe a pagan Sabbath in God’s name. I only can refer to the ancient Jews and the many horrors that befell them for doing exactly these things; which God had said NOT to do.

    The Jews are the example God gave to us heathens, that we might learn what it is He hates “with a perfect hate” so we will not do them, and to learn what it is that pleases God so we will be found approved by God to inherit His Son’s kingdom.

    This treatise is supported by scripture, including your reference about the tree. God’s bottom line is that we do ONLY what He has said to do, as confirmed by Jesus: nothing more and nothing less.

    The only caution I would give you is that from Jesus: “You follow the commandments and traditions of men. . . lies in God’s name.” If we follow lies, we will perish; for scripture further enlightens: “Those who live without God’s Law will perish; and those who live in His Law will be judged by His Law.” Seems prudent to obey God’s Law, especially since we will be judged by it. As the Apostles taught, “We ought to obey God instead of man.”

    Much love in Christ 🙂
    BonnieQ

    Comment by bonnieq | 1 January 2007 | Reply

  6. After reading your excerpt above, I have some questions. Shouldn’t the birth of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ be celebrated? After all, we would be destined for hell had He not been sent, born of a virgin, and willing to die on a cross for us. With that being said, does it really matter WHEN we celebrate His birth? Is not the most important thing that we celebrate it, not WHEN? After all, you said so yourself that there were only 7 things that God required of Christians; you did not list being historically accurate as one of them. I personally feel that God does not mind Christmas trees and decorations as long as we’re not worshiping them instead of Him. After all, can ANYTHING become an idol if we let it? Keeping God the focus of our lives has to be a conscience effort every day. It can be so easy to let ANYTHING become an idol. I know of such a pastor who preached his convictions of Christmas and was asked to leave the church. While I do not feel that the manner that the situation was handled in was appropriate, I don’t completely agree with his views. It’s hard to agree with someone who preaches against alternative forms of Christian music other than Southern Gospel and then listens to plain old country music himself. It’s hard to completely agree with a preacher who preaches against celebrating Jesus’ birthday but celebrates his own childrens’ with church wide parties and gifts. However through the past few weeks I have been made aware that I DO put too much emphasis on the material side of Christmas and not the TRUE meaning of it. And, the preacher which I have spoken of is the one who brought it to my attention and I thank him for it. I do not think that God will punish me and send me to hell because I celebrate Christmas with a tree or do not observe the Sabbath on Saturday instead of Sunday. The Bible says that if you confess your sins He is faithful and just to forgive us and will clease us from all unrighteousness. The only way a person goes to hell is to turn from God and never ask Him into his or her heart. I know I’m not going to hell because I have asked God to forgive me of my sins. And, I’m going to heaven regardless of when I observe the Sabbath or celebrate Christmas.

    Comment by Tara G. | 1 January 2007 | Reply

  7. Dearest brother John, I am so sorry to hear of your dilemma, though it does not surprise me. As Jesus told us, the people have itching ears and seek pastors who teach what they want to hear instead of what they need to hear. Unfortunately, there are plenty of those preachers to go around and not enough speaking God’s Truth.

    I was raised Southern Baptist and as a young adult was a Sunday school teacher. It was in finding discrepancies between the quarterlies from which we taught and what I was reading in the Bible that prompted my quest for ONLY God’s Truth. So began 30+ plus years of Spirit led research and study, at the beginning of which I left the Baptist church. For a time, I visited various denominations, at that point thinking the problem was denominational. Wow! Was I ever wrong and the Holy Spirit gave me every Word I needed.

    Where you have boldly stood up for God concerning the many paganistic rituals riddling the Baptist church, and all other denominations as well, my second question to the Spirit was about the Sabbath. I vaguely remembered someone saying somthing about Sunday not being God’s Sabbath several years before. That was a most enlightening lesson. Needless to say, I and my family began obeying the true Sabbath at home; for at the time I didn’t know of any churches there in Texas that observed sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. Later, I would learn about a Seventh Day Adventist church about 20 minutes away from our home.

    The 65yo pastor, Brother Hancock, shared his testimony with me when he discovered I had been given the truth by the Holy Spirit instead of any man. He had been a Methodist preacher for many years, and one week decided he would prepare a sermon about obeying the Sabbath; which he believed was Sunday. The more scriptures he gathered about the topic, the more alarmed he became that he might have been teaching a lie during all those years.

    So, Brother Hancock set aside that sermon and for the next year did intensive research; both of the Bible and historical calendars, etc. Once concluded, he knew he had been teaching a lie based on what he had been taught at seminary. The next Sunday, he got up and preached the Truth about God’s Sabbath, of which Jesus also is Lord. He was promptly fired. He, too, discovered the Seventh Day Adventist, and was led to become one of their pastors; who, by the way, are not paid. Rather, they all have jobs in addition to their pastoring.

    About a year after we joined Brother Hancock’s SDA church, another minister, from a Church of Christ denomination, came to him and asked to be Baptized into the Truth. He asked the man how long he had known the truth: about ten years, he responded. When asked why it had taken him so long to stand up for the truth, he admitted, “I was afraid I would lose my job.” He, too, was married with children; and, when he finally owned the Truth, he was fired.

    I share these events with you, that you might know you are not the only one who has been persecuted for boldly standing up for God’s Truth. As for not knowing your fate, you are right that it is in God’s hands. What He wants of you is that you boldly stand for ALL of His truth; not just part of it, because part leads only to utter destruction.

    As for your own parishioner’s cruelty, do not be surprised. The persecution of which Jesus and God spoke is not that which we see in the world where non-Christians are killing Christians. No, the persecution comes from those who profess to be Christians; and, they will accuse you as they accused Jesus: blasphemer, false prophet, doing the Devil’s work. When these charges come from people you believe to be Christians, then you can well and truly say that you “suffer for Christ” and bear the Seal of the One True Living God.

    I’m not sure if you are aware, but once the Spirit had been teaching and guiding me for almost 30 years, He then instructed me to pen an exhaustive in critical-to-salvation AKJV Topical Bible, “Truth Gathering,” and the spiritual interpretation of The Revelation, “Bind Up the Testimony, Seal the Law.” Since they were published, I have had people get right in my face and/or put it in writing: “This is the work of a blasphemer. You’re a false prophet doing the Devil’s work!”

    While it is painful to have things like that said of you, it also is a confirmation of bearing God’s Seal instead of Satan’s Mark. That’s exactly why Jesus said we are to “bless them,” which unbeknownst to them is the same as saying, “Thank you for confirming that I am God’s and walk in Christ’s footsteps.

    Since the two books became available, much has happened to me, revealing just how enraged Satan is with me. He wants me dead, because he wants my mouth shut. I lost my job, my home, my health and, in the last year and a half, suffered what should have been a deadly brain aneurysm and a few months ago a broken back. Each time Satan has slammed me to the ground, I go down saying, “You aren’t winning this round, either, Satan!”

    God has me covered, John, and He has you covered, too. Stand on His promises, because I am living testimony that He keeps every one of them. Despite no longer being able to work, I have never gone without life’s necessities: a roof over my head, food in my mouth, and clothes on my back. That’s really all we need; everything else is just window dressing and all of it is about to go away.

    Christ is at the door; so stand up for ALL of God’s Truth. When Christ arrives, it will be too late to do so; and, He is coming quickly. Now is the time to be bold and confident.

    I am here for you, dearest brother. You can email me at unicornhaven@earthlink.net any time. We who stand bold are in a terrific battle, so we need each other: there are so few of us in this world about to die.

    Much love and prayers,
    BonnieQ

    Comment by bonnieq | 13 December 2006 | Reply

  8. Currently, I am a pastor of a Southern Baptist Church. I am educated and have several degrees; however, I have found much of the education I have received has been stilted through false historical accounts and syncrotism. Today, 12/12/06, is probably the last week of my ministry at this chruch. I came under conviction of the Holy Spirit and the word about Christmas, Easter, etc. After much prayer, study, and research, I preached this past Sunday’s message about the the “Spirit of Christmas” – which is Anti-Christ, and the pagan and Catholic origins of what we have come to call Christmas. Needless to say, “it was like spitting in a skilet of hot grease.” Fearing God more than man, I preached the message. My whole family has suffered greatly since this past Sunday’s message. I never knew people could be so cruel, especilly those who name the name of Jesus. I will probably be without financial support for my family in the coming weeks, and destitute. I take great comfort in the fact that you have properly sought out the scriptures and looked at the historical facts. Pray that God will reveal his will for my life. I am probably ruined in the Southern Baptist Convention. Our fate is in the hands of God, but I want to worship God in Spirit and Truth – not out of tradition and customs of men.

    Jesus is Lord!
    Rev. John B. Tillman,

    Comment by Bruce | 12 December 2006 | Reply

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  11. Thank you, Monte, for reading and commenting on this piece. Christ’s passion was and remains for His Father’s Truth, nothing less and nothing more. We see that He never resorted to paganism to save anyone: they either willingly gave it up to follow Him or they did not. We also see that the Apostles taught to avoid pagan ways. We see Christ’s reaction when the money changers defiled the temple with their commercialism. There is so much to see in Christ, if we but look closely in an effort to be like Him.

    We’ve been instructed by Christ Himself to become like Him. Nevertheless, how does one witness to a pagan when the professed Christian is observing their false gods’ festivals? We can’t. To do so only confirms in their mind that they have it right and we have it wrong.

    Jesus redefined nothing. Instead, He reiterated everything God already had said in the Old Testament; for example, the Royal Laws of Love were first spoken by God several times in the Old Testament. When man fails to take the Bible as a whole, it is really easy to twist what Christ said and did, even that He taught something new.

    God’s greatest complaint with man is that he insists upon doing things his way instead of only God’s way. And, those who continue to insist upon their own ways will perish in the end. I’d rather speak God’s hard truths and, hopefully, snatch at least one from the fire, than to placate the world with man’s “smooth words.” If we speak for God and Christ, then it had better be in pure, hard truth; anything less and we will perish as well.

    Again, thank you so much, Monte, for your candid comments and observations. Hope to see you visiting again. 🙂

    Much love in Christ,
    BonnieQ

    Comment by bonnieq | 7 October 2006 | Reply

  12. You are right about much. Certainly the holidays observed in the west are not of Christian origins. Certainly systematic theologies have thrown us off the track often. And defilement certainly was the recurring theme of the O.T.

    But I wonder if Jesus doesn’t re-define defilement: it’s what comes from within. And this is the theme of the Sermon on the Mount – he offers us a righteousness springing up from within us that fulfills the law’s intent.

    So, I hear you saying likeness to Christ is the main thing, and I certainly honor your kind and gentle spirit, but are these priorities – of Sabbaths and diets and doctrines and abstaining from this and this – can you show me where these are passions of Jesus himself?

    Comment by Monte | 6 October 2006 | Reply

  13. Thank you so much, Steve, for supporting this article. And, yes, we must push on, keep teaching God’s Truth; even though most of the time it seems we are doing no good at all. Praise our awesome Lord, when I reach a point where I feel it is useless, God always sends someone to confirm that I am doing God’s Will and must continue no matter what.

    It is easier to take the persecution than to feel like the words are wasted on deaf ears. It is then I remind myself that we cannot discern a goat from a sheep, thus must put the Word out to everyone; and, it isn’t our responsibility to “make” someone accept and obey: only ours to speak God’s Truth in every way possible.

    I recall the days of my childhood, every year a Christmas Tree in our living room surrounded with gifts, then Easter came and we had baskets of easter eggs and bunnies, soon followed by Thanksgiving and all the delicious food. When the Holy Spirit showed me the truth about those festivals, I was appalled that our denominational religions had taught us lies in Christ’s name. I could not in clear conscience continue those manmade traditions. Naturally, my family was appalled that I would turn away from “our Christian traditions.”

    If we really look at what takes place during those holidays, we see that it is built around commercialism and making the almighty buck. I have found that I feel so much more joy when I give a gift for absolutely no reason, and the receiver always experiences so much more joy than when receiving a gift that these pagan traditions dictate. What a burden was taken from me when I turned away from the world.

    Again, thank you so much, Steve, for the support. Feel free to share this article with everyone you know. It’s actually an excerpt from the exhaustive in critical-to-salvation AKJV Topical Bible, “Truth Gathering,” wherein it is much longer with even more detail.

    Much love in Christ,
    BonnieQ

    Comment by bonnieq | 29 September 2006 | Reply

  14. Thank YOU, Brian; although, it was no pain. It is an honor to be the Lord’s pen, an honor that humbles this pitiful Eve greatly.

    Love in Christ,
    BonnieQ

    Comment by bonnieq | 28 September 2006 | Reply

  15. really interesting article… thanks for taking the pain to put this down

    Comment by Brian | 28 September 2006 | Reply

  16. You are absolutely right, Diana, about Genesis 9. Prior to Eve eating of the Tree of Knowledge, all living creatures were herbivores. You will note, however, that because of eating flesh, God states in verse 5 that He will require our lives (first death); this, because we do spill blood in order to eat flesh. Thus, when Eve sinned, it became “it is appointed unto man to die once.” Also, when sin was introduced into the world by Eve, even some animals became carnivorous. As you say, this will not change until all is made new.

    As I mentioned in my last missive, all things are clean and we can eat anything we want to eat: as long as it does not cause our brother to stumble OR we have not been told a specific flesh is sacrificed to idols. Thus, we do agree.

    I would suspect that you are far healthier for not having ever ingested flesh of any kind. The one thing most people don’t think about when they tout that we need flesh for the protein, is that it is second hand protein and is not recognized by our bodies as a whole food. There is far more protein in an ounce of nuts than there is in an 8-oz steak. At least in nuts, we are getting first hand protein recognized by our bodies as a whole food. 🙂

    Please note that “thorns in the side” are not a sign of “weakness.” As Paul noted, when illnesses or diseases are not cured in a righteous person, they are thorns used to keep that person humble. Paul was given gifts even the Apostles did not have, which might have caused him to be arrogant, thus he understood the reason for his thorns. To be “weak,” as noted in Romans is to be weak spiritually.

    Thank you so much, dear one, for your wonderful comments and interaction in God’s Word. May our day be so filled with blessings that you lose count!

    Much love in Christ,
    https://bonnieq.wordpress.com

    Comment by bonnieq | 28 September 2006 | Reply

  17. Thanks for the article, Bonnie!

    I have been awakened by it to see past the pagan persuasions that have for so long boxed me in to a calendar-driven life of lies and deception.

    Everyone needs to know about what you talked about in your article. Unfortunately, so many have bought into what they’ve grown up in, without seeking to validate their default lifestyle of decadence.

    By being part of most major Christian denominations today, many fall at the hands of church ‘leaders’. People follow thinking they’re doing the right thing, but instead they are deceived into comitting acts of sin. It is by a lack of knowledge that they stumble. Would you suggest that we press on forth and educate them on such matters as discussed in your article?

    If we don’t live by the Word of God, we fall.

    We can’t trust authorities to tell us what to eat, they’ll sanction most of what’s in grocery stores, because buying such foods keeps the economy spinning strong. Even foods that are proven to do us harm (processed foods, etc), are sold with an image that makes them out to seem perfectly fine.

    We can’t trust western society to tell us how to live. If we do, life becomes divided into 40 hour work weeks, self-centeredly sought after for monetary gains, and play, self-centerdly sought after again for pleasure purposes.

    The social structures we grow up in are usually structures built around sin. If we don’t live by the Word of God, we live a lie. Your article has opened up my eyes. I hope it can have the same effect for many more as well.

    Comment by serenaid | 28 September 2006 | Reply

  18. Bonnie,
    Thanks very much for answering about Jesus’ birth.
    I don’t agree with your answer on flesh though. In Romans 14.21, Paul is clearly talking about not doing things which make our brothers stumble. He says flesh is not good IF it causes another to stumble. He says in the same chapter that it is the WEAK brother who only eats vegetables, and the one whose faith is strong can eat anything and glorify God by it.

    Again it wasn’t in Egypt that the Israelites started eating meat, God allowed it back in Genesis soon after the flood.
    Genesis 9.3-4:
    “Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything. But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.”
    That’s when God said we can eat anything we want but not the blood of animals. He said EVERY animal is clean for us. Only with the law that Moses gave, God put restrictions on some animals. And then after Christ, all meat became clean again. The only restriction on meat is blood.

    I myself am vegetarian, I have never tasted meat of any animal, not chicken nor fish nor lamb nor anything else. Not even egg. That is because my family believes in vegetarianism by their religion and I don’t want to offend them by eating meat myself. But if it was ok with them, I would not call any meat unclean for myself. It was given to us as food just as the green plants were at first.

    If you see in Genesis 1, God gave even the animals only plants to eat. There were no carnivorous animals. But now would you expect lions to eat grass? Not until the day when the ox and the lion lie down together to graze 🙂

    Praise the Lord!
    Love,
    Diana

    Comment by diana | 28 September 2006 | Reply

  19. By the way, Diana, there were two Herods; one before the King Herod of Christ’s day. 🙂

    Comment by bonnieq | 27 September 2006 | Reply

  20. Yes, Diana, Jesus was born in 4.5 or 3 B.C.; 6 B.C. was before that. And, really, who was govenor of Syria was not relevant; King Herod being the one from whom Joseph was told to flee with Mary and Jesus to Egypt, because Herod was bent on killing every new born boy in order to get Christ out of the way. The three kings, who brought gifts for Jesus, had told Herod that Christ (King of the Jews) had been born. So, Herod was very much alive when Christ was born.

    Luke 2:2 mentions Quirinius, noted as Cyrenius, in reference to the tax degree. It does not say Cyrenius was governor of Syria at the time Augustus sent out the tax degree; simply that the taxing system was developed “when” Cyrenius was governor: suggesting that his governorship to have been sometime before Christ’s birth.

    Joseph, Mary and Christ returned to Israel only after King Herod died; God’s Angel informed Joseph that they could return to Israel at that time. As for Herod’s death and without checking back in my research data, I believe it was 4 A.D.; suggesting that Christ was about 7yo when they returned to Israel. All of this data can be found in “Today, Jesus Said, Let Me Introduce Myself.”

    “It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.” Romans 14:21

    In studying Genesis, you will find that our bodies were designed to process raw vegetables, fruits, herbs, grains and nuts. It was during Israel’s captivity by Egypt for 400 years that they began to eat as did the pagans: flesh. Therefore, when Moses took them to the wilderness, they began to demand flesh; so, God relented and allowed certain meats. But, He never said it would be good for us. In fact, once they began eating flesh in Egypt, it is noted that the life spans began to decrease exponentially over the years.

    I am somewhat vegetarian. I do not eat pork or beef, mainly because they are extremely hard on my digestive system and will cause a migraine within 12 hours. I occasionally eat chicken, turkey and sea food, but mainly concentrate on the natural as noted in Genesis. This, because with MS and Lupus, my digestive system tends to shut down if I eat too much in flesh products.

    Nevertheless, dear one, all things are clean. We can eat whatever we want to eat; it’s just not necessarily good for these bodies we wear while we are here. 🙂 Albeit, if our host says that a certain meat on the table is sacrificed to his or her god, we are instructed NOT to eat it.

    As for pagan festivals observed in Christ’s name. . . well, each person must make his or her own choice; but, as Proverbs points out, make the choice knowing we will be judged by God’s Law, not man’s. Although, Jesus said of Passover, “As often as you do this, do it in remembrance of me.” That is the only festival He sanctioned. I will add, Christians cannot witness to pagans when they observe pagan festivals: “cause thy brother to stumble, be offended, made weak.”

    In this excerpt, I provided a case-in-point of just that. Fortunately, the Christian in the case did not observe pagan festivals. The only other thing I would say is, what makes us better than the Jews, that we can do what God blinded them for doing? What makes us better than Jesus, that we can do what even Christ would not do? And, did He not tell us to do as He did? I have heard more than one, in fact many, avowed pagans state that because Christians observe their pagan festivals just proves to them that they have the “right” religion, thus it must be the oldest religion; otherwise, they ask, why would Christians follow their rituals. This is exactly why we never saw Jesus do or say anything that was remotely pagan. Pure Truth, and only pure Truth, has the potential to save even pagans.

    Well, sweetie, I hope I’ve answered all your questions to your satisfaction. You really might want to consider getting the above book as well as the AKJV Topical Bible “Truth Gathering” and the Biblical/Spiritual interpretation of The Revelation, “Bind Up the Testimony, Seal the Law.” All of your questions would be answered.

    Much love in Christ,
    https://bonnieq.wordpress.com

    Comment by bonnieq | 27 September 2006 | Reply

  21. Sorry I forgot to ask: could you please tell me where you get this from-
    “even Paul said, “It is not good to eat flesh.” Mainly because our bodies were not designed to process flesh.”
    I am curious. Are you vegetarian then?
    Thanks,
    and bless you.
    Diana

    Comment by diana | 27 September 2006 | Reply

  22. Hi Bonnie,
    How are you going?

    My music teacher always told me that Christmas, Easter, birthdays, etc were a bad idea. I agree they are not specified in the Bible as festivals to be observed to the Lord. But I don’t think there is any harm if some people want to observe certain days to mark and remember certain events that happened during Jesus’ lifetime.
    Anyway fair enough that you are not in favour of them. I have no opinion myself, except that if it makes people happy, makes people remember God and brings people to church, thats a good thing.
    I have a question regarding the birth of Jesus which I had heard before but I saw again a couple of days ago in a christian community message board online:

    “The gospel according to Luke says Jesus was born while Quirinius was governor of Syria. This means Jesus must have been born after 6 C.E. The gospel accoring to Matthew states that Jesus was conceived while Herod the Great was in power in Judea. However, Herod died in 4 B.C.E. This means that Mary must have been pregnant for at least ten years.”

    How do you answer that? I am interested to know the possibilities.
    Love,
    Diana

    Comment by diana | 27 September 2006 | Reply

  23. Thank you, Paul, for stopping by to read this excerpt; and, yes, it is only an excerpt from the AKJV Topical Bible “Truth Gathering.” There is far more in the Topical Bible than in this posting.

    Herein indicates that Elizabeth was 6 months pregnant when Mary conceived; which in this case was the month that Mary conceived, therefore the sixth Hebrew calendar month.

    What’s worse is that theologians have always known that Christ was born in mid to late October, thus all preachers and pastors know it, too. So, we’ve been lied to, and lied to about much, much more than just Christ’s birth.

    As for celebrating Christ’s birth, the Bible reminds us that we are to do ONLY what God Commands; nothing more, nothing less. Jesus Himself told us to do one thing in remembrance of Him: Passover, also referred to as the Last Supper or Communion.

    Since you are a new Christian, I strongly recommend that you get a copy of the AKJV Topical Bible “Truth Gathering.” It’s the only one in the world that is exhaustive in all critical-to-salvation subjects; which means “every” verse relative to a topic is included. Unfortunately, all other Topical Bibles are grossly incomplete; for instance, when looking up the word Sabbath in one of those, they will provide up to six scriptures, which falls short of providing God’s Truth. “Truth Gathering” provides 15 pages of scriptures.

    You can order “Truth Gathering” at any local or online bookstore, doesn’t have to be a Christian bookstore; albeit, Amazon.com has the best pricing.

    Again, thank you for stopping by to comment. It is most appreciated. I hope to see you here again! 🙂

    Love in Christ
    https://bonnieq.wordpress.com

    Comment by bonnieq | 27 September 2006 | Reply

  24. Hi bonnieq
    thanks for that it’s very interesting.
    Is the whole post the excerpt? I was reading this in my tag surfer whatever is called and was trying to figure out what was your words and what was the except but i guess it is all excerpt…anyway
    The dating thing looks really complicated. Something I did notice though: when i looked up luke 1:26 it says ‘in the sixth month’ but i noticed the two previous verses:

    Luke 1:24 After these days his wife Elizabeth conceived, and for five months she kept herself hidden, saying,
    Luke 1:25 “Thus the Lord has done for me in the days when he looked on me, to take away my reproach among people.”

    so is the sixth month actually refering to the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy not the sixth month of the calendar?
    Or did she concieve in the first month, making the sixth month of her pregnancy also the sixth month of the calendar?
    and later when Gabriel is talking to Mary:

    Luke 1:36 And behold, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren.

    As for the other points about the months and dates i have to look a bit more closely.I just noticed that in luke thats all. It is kindof scary in jeremiah if you think of a christmas tree being like an idol… the next christmas will be my first christmas as a christian i will have to think about not having a tree.

    Its true that they cant stand up on their own last year we cut a branch of a pine tree and put it in a bucket with sand. it wouldnt stand up even when we wet the sand so we had to put rocks in the bucket. The rocks were almost bigger than the bucket so it looked a bit wierd actually. Then again we never worship the tree or anything its just decoration. We know it cant do anything for us or do any good or evil.

    So should we be celebrating the birth of christ on a different day, in a different way, or not at all?

    Paul

    Comment by paul | 27 September 2006 | Reply

  25. No doubt the most important thing, Monte, is to become Christlike. And, yes, we can eat anything as long as we are not told that it is sacrificed to idols. On the other hand, even Paul said, “It is not good to eat flesh.” Mainly because our bodies were not designed to process flesh.

    Additionally, Truth is Truth and what we’ve been taught for almost two thousand years are lies. We’ve been told that no one knows when Christ was born, that no one knows what He looked like; yet, it’s all there in the Bible. One must ask oneself, “Why? Why lie?” The answer, of course, is that Satan is the author of lies and that in itself speaks volumes about the Christian religion who fostered the lies and all those who promote these lies; synagogues of Satan, as it were: Revelation’s great whore Papal Rome and her harlot daughters Pagan and Protestant.

    The greatest complaint God had with Israel was defiling themselves, the temple, the Sabbath, His Law, and they did it all through pagans: they refused to do ONLY what God said to do. Christians are making the same mistake, including not only defiling God’s and Christ’s Sabbath but, worse, observing a counterfeit while denying the Holy Day. We are to do only what God commands; nothing more, nothing less.

    Personally, I cannot place God and Christ within the framework of pagan rituals. In my mind, it’s akin to spitting in God’s eye in exchange for His grace. Some thank you that would be.

    While Christianity, actually Papal Rome who also changed the Sabbath, claims they allowed these pagan rituals in order save pagans, and in man’s mind that seems noble, it is an abomination to God. Christ NEVER did such a thing in order to save we pagans: He obeyed the Father to the Letter.

    Thus, is it not true that Christ said to do as He did? Those with “the mind of Christ” can do no less and no more than did Christ: obey God’s commands and no other, forsaking the flesh and man’s smooth words. As for putting this Truth out here, each individual must make their own choices, without my intervention or coersion. After all, even God will not intervene; but, in the end, He is the Judge and will judge by His Law, not man’s.

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Monte. It is most appreciated and I hope to see you here again. 🙂

    Love in Christ,
    BonnieQ
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/truthseekersandspeakers

    Comment by bonnieq | 26 September 2006 | Reply

  26. Dear Bonnie:
    I expect the historical observations you make are largely correct. Where does that leave us?

    We know we can eat meat sacrificed to idols, since idols are nothing at all and that we are completely free to do so. So how would it be that if we, similarly, cooperate with others who celebrate holidays we’re condemned because holidays once had pagan roots?

    And would we not, to be consistent, also need to forbid the use of “Sun”-day, “Moon”-day, “Wodin’s”-day, “Thor’s”-day, “Frei’s” day and “Saturn” – day?

    Is this really what Jesus Christ wants from us?

    Did the Author and Perfecter of our faith exhibit care about these issues while he demonstrated for us what the fullness of God in bodily form looks like? Are issues like this His priority for all to see?

    I wonder if it could be that Jesus himself fades into the background when we focus on things that are smaller than inner transformation into the likeness of Christ.

    Comment by Monte | 26 September 2006 | Reply


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